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    nathanbind is offline Very Common
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    Default Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    This is my current casual play deck. If you are an experienced player you can tell that my friends and I play seriously even in our casual play. I want to convert this into a extended legal deck and want any and all advice. Please help me!!

    Mountain x 20
    Grapeshot x 4
    Lava Spike x 4
    Cinder Pyromancer x 4
    Balefire Liege x 2
    Rite of Flame x 3
    Needle Drop x 4
    Blood Oath x 2
    Firebolt x 4
    Shock x 4
    Manamorphose x 4
    War Elemental x 2
    Wort, the Raidmother x 1
    Lava Burst x 1
    Fossil Find x 1

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    nathanbind is offline Very Common
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    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    Some of the cards are in there just because I own them and want to play them. Not because they need to be in the deck.

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    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    ok you have kind of 2 decks here. one is storm combo the other being burn.

    lets start by looking at storm combo. grapeshot does not hold its own on the power lvl of extended. tandril did. it only requires you to play 9 spells prior to the strom spell to win, grapeshot need 10 spells more and is hence much harder to acomplish.

    looking at your deck i presume you rarely if every fire a grapeshot for 20. adding grapeshot to the burn plan is nice but its also casual. in extended most games will be over on turn 4-5 so you will never aquire the mana to play enough spells to make grapeshot matter.

    now for the burn part.

    a straight burn deck looks quite diffrent from your deck. the strenght of burn comes from 2 things. 1 being that almost all spells do exactly the same hence reducing your bad draws to too much land. that makes the deck very reliable. the second is the abcence of permanent other than land. the fewer creatures enchantments and artifacts you play the more cards of your opponent will do nothing for him.

    in extended you lack some of the best burnspells in the game namely Fireblast. a card that lets burn kill a whole turn faster. its not a top contender but burn is still playable in extended.

    straight burn is however also the most boring deck ever. all you ever do is damage to the face of your opponent and nothing else. all games play the same and all effects you produce are the same. merly the artwork varies a little.

    im not sure if you want to play a deck this boring.

    im not going to go into the details of burn right now but can do so if you wish.

    if your looking for a very aggressive extended deck that uses burn to finish the opponent off your top contender would be zoo. thats red-green-white with small critters and burn. its a lot more expensive than a mono red deck due to fetch and dual lands + tarmogoyf but its also a lot better. there are several variations depending on your likes and dislikes.

    looking at the last pro tour (wich was extended) zoo and combo (in diffrent versions) seem all you can play in extended. the top 8 were 4 x zoo, 2 x dredge combo, 1 dark depth combo and 1 hypergenesis combo. there are other good decks but zoo and combo are probably the best decks at the moment with all others falling behind them.

    so there you have it. let me know if a strait burn deck is something you can get warm with. the grapeshot "combo" package is not viable since its too slow and too clumsy for extended.

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    nathanbind is offline Very Common
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    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    Actually I usually don't get a single grapeshot for 20 but usually end up doing close to 20 damage by turn three, I combo the low cost burn spells with grapeshot, and spells like needle drop to draw and and deal damage, I have also done 50+ damage on turn 1(very rare hand) I'm looking more for card specific changes. I do have an understanding of my deck. You may also not recognize how useful grapeshot and cinder pyromancer work together.

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    seba1983 Guest

    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    you are aware that when you play grapeshot the pyromancer untapes only once because the storm copies are not played ?

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    seba1983 Guest

    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    also blood oath, firebolt and lava burst are all not legal in extended so they have to go anyway.

    if you realy want to play burn with grapeshot, than you realy should play riftbolt because in the turn you try to grapeshot you get 1 extra spell for 0 mana. i still dont think grapeshot is good enough for extended but if you want to try riftbolt is a realy good inclusion. also i would up the rite of flame count to 4. mana rituals are realy important in any deck trying to get the most out of the storm mechanism. i still feel however that its very unreliable to use properly without card draw / tutor. but i guess thats not what your going for.

    lightning bolt is in m10 so you will realy want to play 4 its stricktly better than shock.

    also i think that even with the rite of flame wort is way too slow for a deck going into a burn direction.

    what i dont see at the moment is what you do against 20 power attacking you on turn 3 ? both dark depth and hypergenesis do that suprisingly freequently. i dislike playing a deck that kind of auto looses to 2 of the top decks in the format ... also i dont see any solid solution for a baneslayer angel. with the help of noble hirarch for accaleration and lightning helix for lifegain they can get it to attack. from how the deck looks at the moment a lifegain of 5+ per turn has "you loose" written all over it for your deck ...

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    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    Thank you very much for the LIghtning Bolt, as for the baneslayer angle I will have to play against one. I usually win on turn 4 so many things won't be problematic, I often am able to destroy most creatures the turn they enter play if I need to. But i am not sure

    What card would u recommend over grapeshot? Running four grapeshots with rite of flames allow me to throw a turn one vic if I get three rite of flames one mana and three grapeshots, and with manamorphose working with grapeshot the spells stack rapidly without cost. My only in condition is burn to death, so if you could recomend a replacement for Wort, it's only in there for fun, along with a few other cards.

    You have bee more help than any other person, please pm, private message, me so we can continue, I would love to give you any advice if you need it, I doubt you will. Thank you very much for your time.

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    seba1983 Guest

    Default Re: Making Extended Deck need advice please help

    by the way the rite of flame, three grapeshot and a land dont do 20 damage. the storm coppys are not counted for the stormcount as they are copies not spells played so the first grapeshot does 4, the second 5 and the third 6 thats 15 damage turn 1. now that is nice but does not win. also your hand is empty ...

 

 

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