Death’s Presence rules and Pack Rat magic

[smilon]

If I have Death’s Presence out

and I have four rats out

one of them is a Pack Rat

if pack rat dies, do I get 3 or 4 counters?

[Arix]

Death's Presence checks the creature's power as it last existed on the battlefield. At that point, Pack Rat was a 4/4, so it gives four counters.

[smilon]

but as it dies and leaves from battlefield to graveyard doesnt its power become 3 since i now control only 3 rats?

[Arix]

Once it's actually in the graveyard, yes. But as I said, Death's presence doesn't care about what the creature is in the graveyard - it cares about what the creature was when it was last on the battlefield. Pack Rat leaves the battlefield as a 4/4 creature. There's never a point where it was on the battlefield as a 3/3.

[smilon]

what if pack rat and another rat die same time is it still 4 counters?

[Arix]

Yes.