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    Default Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    I deal damage to opponent with my Whirling Dervish

    he then takes control of it with Captivating Vampire

    Will the Dervish (now under opponent's control) still get a +1/+1 counter at end of turn?

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    No. Since he controls it when the ability would trigger, the "opponent" refers to hid opponent, you. Since it didn't hit you that turn, the ability doesn't trigger.

    Also note that Whirling Dervish has protection from black, so it can't be taken by Captivating Vampire anyway.
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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    isn't it a delayed trigger event though that would go on stack regardless of who is "opponent" in end of turn?

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    No. That would be if it were worded more along the lines of "Whenever Whirling Dervish deals damage to an opponent, put a +1/+1 counter on it at end of turn".
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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    but when it dealt the damage it was dealing it to an opponent??

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    Doesn't matter.
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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    I think some uncharted waters is that up until now an opponent was always a player, but now in innistrad they introduced cards that make creatures fight each other (like prey upon) so now a creature can also be an opponent? so if the whirling delvish fights another creature and deals damage to it does ability trigger? has wizards addressed this yet?

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    They haven't addressed it because nothing changed about opponents -- an opponent is still only ever a player.

    The term "fight" is just new wording for an old ability that merely causes two creatures to deal damage to each other. This doesn't count as combat damage, and isn't considered combat by any means. As such, this isn't a case of a creature attacking another creature - that still can't happen.

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    can planeswalker be an opponent?

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    Nope. That's never been the case. Just as a refresher, here's what the comprehensive rules have to say about opponents:

    Opponent
    Someone a player is playing against. See rules 102.2 and 102.3.
    And then, going back to rules 102.2 and 102.3:

    102.2. In a two-player game, a player‘s opponent is the other player.
    102.3. In a multiplayer game between teams, a player‘s teammates are the other players on his or her
    team, and the player‘s opponents are all players not on his or her team.
    If an opponent meant anything other than a player, it would be covered in the comprehensive rules. As you can see, your opponents are always going to be other players.

    Driving the point home -- if your creature enchanted with Curiosity attacks a planeswalker, you don't get to draw a card, because a planeswalker is never considered your opponent.

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    what if it is a multiplayer game, and the opponent that was dealt damage has left the game before the ability is supposed to trigger?

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    It still gets the counter.
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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    Wtf but you just said the opponent matters only at end of turn? So if opponent is different or not there it won't get counter? Why did u changed your mind?

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    Default Re: Whirling Dervish question gaining control

    I didn't change my mind at all. It's a completely different question with a completely different answer.
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