what if attack phase comes and you realize you forgot to untap your creatures magic

[Zippy]

what happens if combat phase comes and you realize you forgot to untap your creatures at beginning of turn, can you still untap them

[seba1983]

depends on something called "rules enforcement level".

the rel states how ridgedly the exact rules are followed. in your normal magic game you have no rel or a rel of 0. that means its up to your opponent if hes ok with you untaping.

on higher rel you would recive a warning for not haveing taken mandatory actions. what exactly happens with the taped creatures after that i do not know. i doubt it has ever happend in a tournament.

[Josh]

If its a casual game then usually the other player should agree to let you untap the creatures because they were supposed to be untapped.

Not sure what happens in a magic tournament though in this type of scenario.

[Twanos]

in casual you normally just untap as it is a required action.

In a lower REL event you will be given a warning and play will "rewind" to the untap step then the turn will in essence begin again with you untapping.

In a higher REL event you will be given a game or match (depending on the event and the judge) loss for cheating because you took a card from your library (thinking you were drawing for the turn) while still in your untap step because you couldn't leave it until the required actions had taken place.

[seba1983]

a game loss cool didnt think the penalty is that harsh though it does make sense ^^

[Twanos]

I had it happen once in an event I was judging. Player A was at 1 life and knew he was about to die and says go. Player B doesn't untap due to laziness knowing all he has to do for his turn is attack. So he just leaves the attackers tapped, draws a card and declares them as attackers. Player A called the judge over for cheating and we had to issue a game loss to player B for it even though I thought it was purely unsportsmanlike for Player A to do it. In the end player B won the next two games and still got the match but it was a pain all the same.

[seba1983]

couldn't you have given B the gameloss and A a warning for general unsportsmen like conduct just to make a point ? wouldnt make a diffrence right there but would gve the proper signal ?

[Twanos]

While I felt and to this day feel is was poor sportsmanship to do it, he was technically correct in wanting a rule enforced so I could warn him for wanting to follow the rules.

Though I will say word spread very quickly at the event and he was shunned by most of the people there with several people refusing to even trade with him.

[seba1983]

^^ so he got the social game loss

[Twanos]

more like a social event DQ lol

[Zippy]

what about forgetting to draw a card at beginning of turn

[Arix]

That counts under Game Play Error - Missed Trigger (yes, the draw step draw isn't a triggered ability, but for the purposes of this rule, it's considered to be). In that case, you receive a caution at regular REL or a warning at competitive and professional RELs. In either case, you then immediately "resolve" the "missed trigger" (draw the card), and the game continues from whatever point it was at.